Players Dropped By The Sim

[leafsgm]

Karri Ramo, played in Europe last season and dropped by the sim. Do players like him go to the Unassigned List or to our prospects list?

[KingsGM]

* * * This is an edit of a previous post that contained misinformation. My apologies. * * *

He can be moved to your prospect list after you pay him 50% of his remaining contract, or you can drop him outright without penalty. If you pay 50% and move him to prospect list, you can keep him there indefinitely.

On that same topic, I have Alexander Nikulin & Andrej Plekhanov that are still in the SIM but should not be.... They did not play in North America last year, yet they are still rated in the SIM. There are a number of other guys like that: Sergei Zubov, Nikolai Zherdev, Brendan Shanahan, P.J. Axelsson, to name just a few. Some have retired. Others are playing internationally.

We need guys like this removed from the SIM. Again, we need ALL GMs to help with this. If you own a player who did not play in North America, we need you to be honest & report right away how you want to handle this move.

Please see sections 14.2 and 16.8 in the rulebook (posted below) to understand how we must handle retiring players & guys playing in Europe.

[Columbus Gm - Dom]

Jun 2, 2010 18:55:25 GMT -5 KingsGM said:

He can be moved to your prospect list, or you can pay him his remaining salary & drop him.

I thought if we removed a player from our roster, then we pay one year FULL salary, not the salary remaining on the contract.

Also, what do i do with all the players on our prospect list with the (2X850) (for example)? Do they lose a year? or does there contract stay the same until they are able fulfill their contracts by playing in the sim? And if these players are dropped, do we pay them like regular players?

Sorry, just want clarifications on all examples.

[KingsGM]

These are good questions, Dom. Better to be clear than not.

To be clear, this thread is talking about players that are being removed from the SIM. We are NOT talking about players still in the SIM who may be dropped to free up roster space or because they have performed below expectations.

After reviewing the current rules, I see that I erred in my original statement. (I will edit the previous post to avoid confusion.) I thought the rules said that player must be paid 100% of salary, but that is wrong. Actually, the GM has two options, neither of which involve paying the player full contracted salary.

Retiring players are covered in Section 16.8 and must be paid according to the schedule below. If a GM signed a 39 year old guy to a 3 year contract, they knew the risk they were getting into. So, they can either pay the player a percentage of their due contract or take the hit against their cap.

16.8. Free Agent Contract Restrictions
...
3. Signing players who are 35 years old or older to contracts longer than 1 year in length will require either buyout the player or counting his salary toward your cap number in case such a player retires prior to his contract ending. The following rules will apply:

1 year left on player’s contract upon his retirement – you can buy him out at 50% of remaining salary OR count his entire salary toward your cap

2 years left on player’s contract upon his retirement – you can buy him out at 75% of remaining salary OR count his entire salary toward you cap.

3 or more years left on player’s contract upon his retirement – you can buy him out at 85% of remaining salary OR count his entire salary toward your cap.

Guys playing in Europe are covered in Section 14.2

14.2 Playing Internationally

If a player decides to leave North America to play overseas, a team can choose to honor 50% of the player's total contract in order to retain his rights upon returning or opt to release the player immediately without penalty.

Scenario: Evgeni Malkin signs with a Continental Hockey League team in the off-season.

Option A: Team honors the player's contract (50% total value). By doing so, they retain his rights upon returning to North America. The player is transferred from the team's roster to the team's prospect list.

Option B: Team releases the player without pay. By doing so, the team holds no exclusive rights upon returning to North America. The player is removed from the team's roster and/or prospect list and deleted from the database.

If the player in question is not signed to a contract, but is on the team's prospect list. The player can remain there indefinitely thereby allowing the team to retain his rights.

If a player leaves North America while a TFNHL season is still in progress, then the player will be removed from the team's active roster at the end of the TFNHL season. If the player leaves during the TFNHL off-season, a team must immediately make a decision to remove the player.

A player's rights can be traded just as any prospect can be. If the player is released by their former team, they will become an unrestricted free-agent upon returning to North America and participating in an official game.

Hopefully, this answers everyone's questions. If not and there are still questions out there, let's hash them out. Sorry for the initial mix-up.... I should have consulted the rulebook first.

[Columbus Gm - Dom]

For the europe transfer, what is meant by (50% total value)

If Malkin is signed to a 6 year 8 million $ contract, does that mean each year 4 million is taken from your cash till he comes back to the NHL? and when he does, the contract is again, 6 years 8 million?

[KingsGM]

Using this example,

Malkin leaves for Europe. His current remaining contract is 6 years at $8MM per year. That means his remaining contract is $48MM.

In order for the team to retain his rights, Malkin needs to be paid $24MM right away.

The contract is then VOID, and Malkin moves to the team's prospect list. Upon his return to North America (if he returns), the team re-negotiates with a TFNHLPA for a new contract.

This may seem like a really raw deal, but this is something GMs need to keep in mind when making MONSTER offers to players. Over the past couple years, there have been complaints about some GMs being reckless and offer outrageous contracts. This is just one reason to encourage MODERATION when making offers. Basically, the GM is taking a risk that the player will remain in North America for the duration of the contract.

[Columbus Gm - Dom]

Seems fair, but if the contract is void, what do I do about the guys on prospect list with the (2 *350) thing? Should i just delete those?

[KingsGM]

I think yes... we should start anew....

I can't say for sure whether or not those notations have been updated consistently or what they represent. I think we should scrub the prospect lists of all notations, and the only notations we see going forward should be prospects who are due to be created in the SIM, but the GM wants to keep them on the prospect list.

Per a different thread, you can keep rookies on your prospect list so long as they are not regular NHL players. These guys will be given entry level contracts which will be noted (in parentheses) on the prospect list. With every passing year, these prospects will be paid 10% of contract (farm salary) and one year removed from the notation.

[detroitgm]

the notations should be scrubbed, but players of course remain =)

[KingsGM]

Michel compiled a list of UFA-to-be, and I've reviewed the list to scrub it of ineligible players.... i.e. players who did not play in North America last year. Dom will remove these players from the SIM shortly. So, when you begin planning for UFA, know that you cannot sign these players:

The following retired & did not play last year:
Brendan Shanahan

The following did not play last year for some other reason:
Manny Fernandez
Denis Gauthier
Aaron Downey

The following played only in Europe & not in North America
Niclas Havelid
Sergei Zubov
Daniel Tjarnqvist
Thomas Pock
Jean-Phillippe Cote
Richard Zednik
P.J. Axelsson
Dan Hinote
Connor James

There are still many others still locked into TFNHL contracts that are on individual rosters. We need all GMs to step up & announce the needed corrections. If you have a player on your roster that DID NOT PLAY in North America AT ALL last year, reply to this post ASAP.

[detroitgm]

Detroit would like to release any ties we have to these traitors to the cause (i.e all european players with ratings)

Sergei Fedorov C 100 60 40 58 85 68 65 64 88 74 65 65 92 91 78 5 66 40 3,000,000 1
Eric Perrin RW 100 59 40 81 81 50 80 63 75 65 58 76 80 73 82 5 63 34 1,150,000 1
Joakim Lindstrom(R) C 100 57 40 67 70 54 59 60 43 58 60 58 64 60 98 55 56 26 600,000 1

[Columbus Gm - Dom]

Jun 6, 2010 11:18:01 GMT -5 KingsGM said:

Michel compiled a list of UFA-to-be, and I've reviewed the list to scrub it of ineligible players.... i.e. players who did not play in North America last year. Dom will remove these players from the SIM shortly. So, when you begin planning for UFA, know that you cannot sign these players:

The following retired & did not play last year:
Brendan Shanahan

The following did not play last year for some other reason:
Manny Fernandez
Denis Gauthier
Aaron Downey

The following played only in Europe & not in North America
Niclas Havelid
Sergei Zubov
Daniel Tjarnqvist
Thomas Pock
Jean-Phillippe Cote
Richard Zednik
P.J. Axelsson
Dan Hinote
Connor James

There are still many others still locked into TFNHL contracts that are on individual rosters. We need all GMs to step up & announce the needed corrections. If you have a player on your roster that DID NOT PLAY in North America AT ALL last year, reply to this post ASAP.

players are erased from sim