Rectification of some entry level contract

[vancouver]

Hi John can you rectify this entry level contract. I take the salaries from Hockey News.

Boston
Brandon Sutter(R) C 38 2M 55 40 92 68 58 51 53 57 53 48 72 52 55 45 95 54 19 1,225,000 3 875 000$

Buffalo
Michael Blunden(R) RW 100 65 45 74 67 72 52 46 40 47 47 54 58 58 50 85 51 22 1,583,000 3 735 000$


Calgary
Zach Boychuk(R) LW 83 1W 49 40 89 77 50 45 46 40 46 45 55 52 58 51 95 50 19 1,225,000 3 875 000$


Chicago
Logan Couture(R) C 86 1W 54 40 75 56 60 45 45 41 45 45 47 52 52 55 95 46 19 1,271,000 3 875 000$

Edmonton
Ryan O'Marra(R) C 100 55 40 79 71 68 45 45 48 48 45 52 56 62 55 95 51 21 1,222,000 3 765 000$
Nikita Filatov(R) LW 100 52 40 85 68 50 45 57 40 50 57 54 50 55 55 95 52 18 2,225,000 3 875 000$
Ty Wishart(R) D 100 53 40 88 51 71 45 42 40 42 40 57 54 53 47 95 49 20 1,122,000 3 850 000$


Montreal
Keaton Ellerby(R) D 100 54 40 82 63 62 51 46 40 46 43 52 54 52 38 95 50 20 1,300,000 3 875 000$


NYR
Colton Gillies(R) C 100 68 40 82 70 63 45 54 40 54 51 56 52 58 68 95 53 19 1,042,000 3 875 000$


Tampa Bay
Drew Doughty(R) D 100 61 40 69 62 64 92 51 40 58 53 73 52 59 56 95 60 19 3,475,000 3 875 000$
Nikolai Kulemin(R) LW 87 1W 62 40 90 69 54 69 61 54 60 65 61 58 62 50 85 58 22 1,488,000 3 850 000$


Vancouver
Patrik Berglund(R) C 100 60 40 90 64 62 70 70 58 70 72 63 54 59 70 95 62 20 1,247,000 3 850 000$
Mikael Backlund(R) C 85 1W 45 40 89 69 58 45 45 43 45 45 52 52 55 58 95 48 19 1,300,000 3 875 000$

[ottawagm]

Nice work Alvaro. Keep it up. I'm sure there are more entry level contracts that are wrong.

[vancouver]

Jan 26, 2010 10:53:07 GMT -5 ottawagm said:

Nice work Alvaro. Keep it up. I'm sure there are more entry level contracts that are wrong.

No ...I did it all no more. all done

[detroitgm]

done. the problem lies within in the ratings package we use. every player in that list has a salary listed, i don't input them. so anyone that was assigned to a roster when we used this package (the initial roster additions as well as anyone off the unassigned list) has the possibility to be using cap hit instead of their salary. this ratings package uses cap hit, not salary.

[ottawagm]

Got another guy you forgot Alvaro: Dwight Helminen.

He is currenlty winning 4.75M$ with Tampa Bay. Real life salary: 500K$.

I think its about time Damian, Tampa GM, started getting his team a bit more realistic. There is no way that this is acceptable so he can be at the Cap Soft Space.

[vancouver]

So tell him to start trading or to get some salaries to get over the salary cap that we put a 30M$ this year only for him cause next year it will be 40M$.

[KingsGM]

I'm pretty sure that salary is in place just to get TB up to the floor.

For starters, he could re-negotiate with Mike Richards.... making $5.6MM in NHL. Why not lock him up for 6/7 years at $5.5MM? Or he could trade Richards to LA... I can stand to lose some salary.
;D

Next year, I think we should abide by NHL standards and raise the floor to at least $40MM. Only three teams would currently fall short: TB, St. Louis, and Minn, all of whom can afford to go after a big UFA in the off season.

Current NHL standard: 2009-10-- $56.8 million ceiling, $40.8 million floor

[detroitgm]

yeah i believe helminen was signed to that contract, and agreed to by agents in the offseason

[leafsgm]

Jan 27, 2010 14:38:07 GMT -5 KingsGM said:

I'm pretty sure that salary is in place just to get TB up to the floor.

For starters, he could re-negotiate with Mike Richards.... making $5.6MM in NHL. Why not lock him up for 6/7 years at $5.5MM? Or he could trade Richards to LA... I can stand to lose some salary.
;D

Next year, I think we should abide by NHL standards and raise the floor to at least $40MM. Only three teams would currently fall short: TB, St. Louis, and Minn, all of whom can afford to go after a big UFA in the off season.

Current NHL standard: 2009-10-- $56.8 million ceiling, $40.8 million floor

I am not going to be two faced about it but I could have an offer for Damian.

I think that would set a precedent where GMs who have over paid players could also start asking for re-negotiate contracts. It also removes nice contracts from the league. Honestly I had Sharp at $450 000 and I was embarrassed about it but still.

Off hand I would say both the Blues and Wild are losing money, amount does not matter. Raising the cap floor they would be forced to take on salary and lose more money.

I was going to try to work my team salary to about $33-35 mil.

NOT,

[KingsGM]

Neither the Blues nor Wild nor TB are losing money this season. Both teams projected bank is greater than current. By the way, GMs currently have the ability to tinker with their own ticket prices to maximize profit, but only about 10 GMs current take that initiative. Furthermore, to help remedy their income woes, teams can make press releases.

Renegotiation for higher salaries is already allowed in TFNHL. There is a clause in the rules about re-negotiating early. Section 17.3 states as a way to earn "credit" (establish rapport) with Player Agents: "offering to restructure a player’s contract ahead of time if he significantly outperforms his present one". I would say Richards clearly qualifies for a favorable restructure to his contract. Tampa Bay is under no obligation to offer Richards a restructured contract or an extension, but he can do it as a matter of good management & a way to abide by the cap & floor.

Which makes more sense:
Mike Richards getting an early contract extension for $5MM
or
Dwight Helminen signed from the unassigned list for $4.2MM?

It's a shame I need to even ask that question.

Salary floor is MEANINGLESS if you are allowed to sign shitty players for $4 million dollars. When I think about it, it really pisses me off that this has gone on as long as it has. We could have found a reasonable solution in pre-season BEFORE Tampa signed Helminen to that ridiculous contract.

As for a precedent being set with re-negotiating for cheaper contracts, a re-negotiated contract may only be signed and made official with the approval of a player agent. There are situations where a decrease in pay in warranted. In the real world, don't teams sometimes restructure players contracts such that the player gets less? Granted this happens rarely in real life and should therefore only happen rarely in TFNHL as well.

Take Miroslav Satan.... In real life, he's now playing for the Bruins for $700k. Who knows what his re-rates will look like next year. But if he gets lousy re-rates b/c he was out of NHL for most of the year, then the GM should be able to re-negotiate.

Because the length of TFNHL contracts don't coincide with NHL contracts, re-negotiation should be allowed for both higher and lower contracts so long as the Player Agent AND Commish (and/or Board of Governors) approve.

[leafsgm]

Toying with ticket prices is not as simple as it may seem, it gets tricky. You might do so thinking you'll see more fans but you end up losing fans. That's for another day.

We are on a cycle where we are catching up to the NHL in salary figures as the contracts expire. GMs with good contracts have a good bargaining chip if they wish to use it. So it becomes giving with one hand and taking with the other.

We can't go on and use real life here to a certain extent yes but let's keep a little of what our fore fathers have done.

We don't want a league running pararell with the NHL. If we do then I want the NHL Leafs' roster minus that trade with Boston.

What I don't want to see is the contracts being re-negotiated because player X is making so much in X league.

[ottawagm]

I kinda like the idea of re-negociating some contracts. Note not all of them, but some like the Satan example. We should discuss this more in another thread.

[detroitgm]

Re-negotiating really is a iffy subject to me. Unless the contract goes up only. Personally I don't feel bad if a GM just through a f-load of money at someone to win a UFA bid. That action alone, then adding the ability to lessen their hurt kind of demeans the UFA bidding process altogether doesn't it? I agree whole-heartedly about monitoring the high bids for useless player though.

[vancouver]

Im with John on this.

[KingsGM]

To be clear, I am saying that re-negotiations should be for better contracts and ONLY if the GM wants to make the offer. The GM is under NO OBLIGATION to restructure a contract or make an extension offer if he doesn't want to.

As far as restructuring a players salary downward, I think it should be allowed but only in VERY UNIQUE circumstances and ONLY with the PLAYER AGENTS' & COMMISSIONER'S consent. The PA & commish can refuse all restructures that bring a players salary down if they want to... That's fine. If ANY GM objects to the restructure, they can appeal to the board of governors. In other words, we're saying that negative restructures will only be allowed under the tightest scrutiny. No restructure b/c some GM went crazy & is paying someone $10MM per year.... No restructures just because the guy sucks.... No restructures just b/c the guy makes less in real life....

But I don't think we should have a rule that outlaws the concept completely. There are unique situations where a negative restructure could be CONSIDERED. I'm just saying CONSIDERED. The main point of this post is to say that restructures should ALMOST ALWAYS be in the player's favor and be done to reward good players & encourage players to stick with their team instead of playing the market or asking for arbitration. That's all I'm saying.